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THE BEGINNING OF MAN
I am not a man of the cloth, I consider myself spiritual. Here is a question for the clergy of any faith, Can you explain the link between the following passages of GENESIS(KJV)?
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Permalink Reply by Bri'on on -
I am sincere.
Marcus Van Williamson said:
Dear Brother Bri'on,
I concur with Sister Cerrita. Though I read your question clearly, I am not a member of clergy but a devoted believer. I feel that because of prior thread postings I have witnessed from certain memebers on this site (including some of yours), one must certainly approach your question with caution.
This is one of those myth and allegory questions that so often certain ones use to try to tempt a faithful person into a trap. However, I have asked this same question myself (in earnest) and would rarely get a SOLID answer that satisfied me. So I began to study. Thoroughly as though I were studying for an impending examination.
What was unlocked to me by my studies is that they WORD does not fail. There are keys WITHIN the word that will point you to an understanding to answer your question of THIS WORD.
If you desire in earnest to understand, then you will make the effort to submit and truly study, just as if you desired to know the rules within the laws of man. You know that studying for surface information only points out the limitations that go to those who wish not to violate those laws. However, studying those laws completely and intently will unlock keys to which the studious will use to great benefit.
So, if you are serious, I have no problem sharing with you what I have found (provided you are making proper application to sup).
Some require milk because they are not yet equipped with the capacity for meat. So where do you stand?
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I have accepted.
Marcus Van Williamson said:
I have sent you a friend request in order that we may break bread together. Upon your acceptance, I will forward my contact information to facilitate direct communication.
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Permalink Reply by Cerrita Mathis on -
I believe we are led to believe what we are told instead of what is written because sometimes when we and I say we because I'm including myself sometimes dont know what to believe or we are unsure of the complete information so what is told to us sounds more believable and easy to understand so we accept that until we make it our business to search it out for ourselves, now there is this cliche' that says: "Knowledge is Power" but it's only power when we apply it. I personally dont believe everything someone tells me until I investigate it myself now dont get me wrong I'm not saying that it's not true what I'm told but I will check it out for my own self assurance, there's no sense repeating something someone told you if you dont know for sure that what your repeating is true stay blessed and prosperous.
PeaceIn,
Cerrita
Bri'on said:Hello Ms. Cerrita,
I posted some questions at the end of my statement. The summary of my statement is:Why are we led to believe what is told to us instead of what is written?
Cerrita Mathis said:
Hello Mr.Bri'on I would like to expound on this for you but if you would please be more specific so I can be clearer in my answer cause I feel in my spirit that I should answer this with understanding.
PeaceIn,
Cerrita
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Permalink Reply by Bri'on on
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Hello Ms. Cerrita,
Through your life studies, what are your thoughts?
Cerrita Mathis said:I believe we are led to believe what we are told instead of what is written because sometimes when we and I say we because I'm including myself sometimes dont know what to believe or we are unsure of the complete information so what is told to us sounds more believable and easy to understand so we accept that until we make it our business to search it out for ourselves, now there is this cliche' that says: "Knowledge is Power" but it's only power when we apply it. I personally dont believe everything someone tells me until I investigate it myself now dont get me wrong I'm not saying that it's not true what I'm told but I will check it out for my own self assurance, there's no sense repeating something someone told you if you dont know for sure that what your repeating is true stay blessed and prosperous.
PeaceIn,
Cerrita
Bri'on said:Hello Ms. Cerrita,
I posted some questions at the end of my statement. The summary of my statement is:Why are we led to believe what is told to us instead of what is written?
Cerrita Mathis said:
Hello Mr.Bri'on I would like to expound on this for you but if you would please be more specific so I can be clearer in my answer cause I feel in my spirit that I should answer this with understanding.
PeaceIn,
Cerrita
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Permalink Reply by Bri'on on
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@Marcus:Yo Marcus, thank you for sharing your wisdom, knowledge and understanding of this subject. Our conversation was truly exhilarating and inspirational and I look forward to upcoming discussions. You have opened up another chamber for me to explore through the simple analysis of created and formed. I really enjoyed talking about the backdrop behind the words. If individuals in the world heard what we discussed last night, more folks would exercise the authority they own. Thanks for sharing your wealth!
Right on Brutha! GOD BLESS!
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Permalink Reply by Marcus Van Williamson on
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I thank God for you Brother. You are proof and a reminder that there are those out here who truly desire to learn and develop in the spirit of truth. While we have so many who are content to play the role of the soothsayer for those who prefer myth over the doctrine of truth, when you are educated above a level of illiteracy, it is not an absolute requirement that you only read and hear the WORD of God but that in all your getting, you get a GOOD UNDERSTANDING.
It is such a blessing when brethren can dwell together in unity - especially when unified to study in the WORD of GOD.
Bri'on said:@Marcus:Yo Marcus, thank you for sharing your wisdom, knowledge and understanding of this subject. Our conversation was truly exhilarating and inspirational and I look forward to upcoming discussions. You have opened up another chamber for me to explore through the simple analysis of created and formed. I really enjoyed talking about the backdrop behind the words. If individuals in the world heard what we discussed last night, more folks would exercise the authority they own. Thanks for sharing your wealth!
Right on Brutha! GOD BLESS!
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Permalink Reply by LibyaWest on -
If individuals in the world heard what we discussed last night, more folks would exercise the authority they own. .........Bri'on
You know y'all ain't right !
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Permalink Reply by Bri'on on
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Yo LibyaWest,
You gotta hook up with Marcus on this one.
LibyaWest said:If individuals in the world heard what we discussed last night, more folks would exercise the authority they own. .........Bri'on
You know y'all ain't right !
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Permalink Reply by safirah chinwe on -
when u ask about adam and eve being the missing link, u consider them to link what to what? i know u posed a lot of questions, and i don't mean to ignore them but i am curious as to what our opinions will do for u. what historical evidence do u believe a clergyman can provide to put u at ease? i honestly believe we can only hypothesize our answers. i ignored the historical glitches of the bible long ago because i look to the holy book more for metaphorical inspiration than hard core facts.
Bri'on said:There is a difference between what we are led to believe and what is actually written on the page. All my life I was led to believe that Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth, yet the bible clearly states;
GENESIS 1:27. So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
This says to me that GOD created other humans first. I come to this conclusion b/c it appears that the Book of Genesis is in sequential order. Adam is not introduced until later;
GENESIS 2:7. And the Lord God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8. And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Furthermore, in GENESIS 1:27 it says, "...male and female he created them" and told them to go out and multiply. Yet GENESIS 2:18-25 it explains the birth of Eve.
I always wondered why Cain was afraid to be slayed by others in the world;
GENESIS 13. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment [is] greater than I can bear. 14. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me. 15. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. 16. And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. 17. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. 18. And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. 19. And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one [was] Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.GENESIS 1:27 would explain Cain's fear.
QUESTIONS:
What made Adam and Eve special? Why does the storyline start with them when spoken by the clergy? Why lead people to believe that GOD told Adam and Eve to replenish the earth when the bible states that GOD told many to replenish the earth? Why is Adam and Eve's bloodline so unique? There is something special about Adam and Eve;Could Adam and Eve be the missing link? GOD set a special place for Adam and Eve after he created other humans...Why?
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Permalink Reply by Bri'on on
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"when u ask about adam and eve being the missing link, u consider them to link what to what? i know u posed a lot of questions, and i don't mean to ignore them but i am curious as to what our opinions will do for u. what historical evidence do u believe a clergyman can provide to put u at ease? i honestly believe we can only hypothesize our answers. i ignored the historical glitches of the bible long ago because i look to the holy book more for metaphorical inspiration than hard core facts."
Hello Safirah,
Some time ago I decided to start reading the bible without prejudice. Every Sunday School lesson I participated in, every choir rehearsal I sang in, every bible study I participated in, and every sermon I heard, I let go. I began to read the bible as it states, just me and my interpretation instead of hearing someone else's version of interpretation while reading (if that makes sense). It took time, but I had to breathe, I had to pause, I had to pray, and best of most I had to meditate. There was a moment when I realized that most of what I was led to believe from the bible was skewed, by other people. People the community trusted to lift them spiritually and help guide them to a healthy lifestyle. Spirituality and healthy living are in the bible, word-for-word and if you live by them to the best of your ability you will find yourself in a free space.
I was cleaning my home a few Saturday's ago and the spirit of the Lord fell upon me. All I could do was fall to my knees and give praise and thanks. All doors and blinds open just me and the spirit of the Lord;no choir in the background, no usher to my seat, no preacher in the pulpit, just me and the spirit and it was awesome!
To answer your questions:
Genesis 2:4 These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens." According to verse 1:27-28, male and female were already created and it appears generations passed before Adam and Eve were formed (GENESIS 2:7 for Adam and 2:22 for Eve), that being said could Adam and Eve be the link between the of the Cro-Magnon to the Neanderthal. If GOD created different types of fish and fowl, couldn't GOD do the same with humans?
Your opinions help me explore different answers to my questions.
The clergy are learned in this discipline, so I figure they will have an insight I do not have.
Hypothesize to a theory to a proven fact.
In my opinion there are no historical glitches in the bible, just glitches in how we read the bible.
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Permalink Reply by Marcus Van Williamson on
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@Bri'on,
I never really read all the questions you posted in their entirety. However, to provide some further clarity to our discussion of a few nights ago, I will provide a few responses here in this forum.
1. What made Adam and Eve special? I think we covered this in our discussion of "CREATED" and "FORMED" with the summary evolving in the word "SOUL".
2. Why does the storyline start with them when spoken by clergy? Now this is partly from the oppression caused by slavery. Because our ancestors were not equipped with knowledge of the kings' language(s), writing(s) and reading(s), they were first told stories read by members of the oppressing race who gave only myth and allegory that was established to keep slaves happy to be in service to those who ruled them. In their own laziness or lack of desire to hold multiple services for their parrish and then again for slaves, some of the clergy and slave owners would even give Bibles to certain ones [usually elders whom they knew could not read]. They would train these elders on sermons they should speak to keep the spirits of the slaves uplifted and willing to work. So you can imagine that they would always lead off with very generalized stories that would seem more mystifying and mythical than real.Now if you are being led by someone who still teaches from the format of a children's Bible book then you are being mis-led. There is no disputing the WORD. Woe unto him who will lead the children of God astray. You must get away from such a man quickly for he lacks wisdom and fails to study so they he shows himself approved. This applies to any woman who does so as well.
3. Why lead people to believe that GOD told Adam and Eve to replenish the earth when the bible states that GOD told many to replenish the earth? Simply put, "Because the devil is a liar!" If you can be conviced through either ignorance, illiteracy or lack of information to commit abominations against your own order, then when you do come to know better it is this fact that becomes the tool that the devil will use to keep you from reverting back to righteousness. Think about it, when you cease from doing things you know are bad for you, the so-called friends [devils] you did those bad things with tend to pull no stops to try to suck you back in by calling up your old habits and weaknesses. This is why it makes most sense for the devil to convince you to defraud your own knowing early in your development of understanding. Whenever the very basis of your belief system is an easily debunked sham, then it is easy to convince you that the whole is a sham as well. The devil believes that you will put your beliefs away eroding all hope and faith - remember Job and the tempations even of Jesus. The devil is still busy even in our lives.
4. Why is Adam and Eve's bloodline so unique?The formation of Adam from the dust of the earth with the purpose of nurturing and tending the earth and Eve, his help meet, made for his comfort to shed aloneness, is not the BLOOD-LINE but the BREATH-LINE that makes them unique. Blood was not the requirement in that day.
5. There is something special about Adam and Eve;Could Adam and Eve be the missing link? I am puzzled by this question as it is so broad that anything maybe asked and any answer may be a sufficient answer.
6. GOD set a special place for Adam and Eve after he created other humans...Why? I have to leave this question in a similar manner to what is asked: "But who knows the ways and reasonings of God?" To answer that question would be similar to me answering why you ask it in the first place. You must pray to God and await His answer for a sufficient response.
Marc Van
safirah chinwe said:when u ask about adam and eve being the missing link, u consider them to link what to what? i know u posed a lot of questions, and i don't mean to ignore them but i am curious as to what our opinions will do for u. what historical evidence do u believe a clergyman can provide to put u at ease? i honestly believe we can only hypothesize our answers. i ignored the historical glitches of the bible long ago because i look to the holy book more for metaphorical inspiration than hard core facts.
Bri'on said:There is a difference between what we are led to believe and what is actually written on the page. All my life I was led to believe that Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth, yet the bible clearly states;
GENESIS 1:27. So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
This says to me that GOD created other humans first. I come to this conclusion b/c it appears that the Book of Genesis is in sequential order. Adam is not introduced until later;
GENESIS 2:7. And the Lord God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8. And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Furthermore, in GENESIS 1:27 it says, "...male and female he created them" and told them to go out and multiply. Yet GENESIS 2:18-25 it explains the birth of Eve.
I always wondered why Cain was afraid to be slayed by others in the world;
GENESIS 13. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment [is] greater than I can bear. 14. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me. 15. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. 16. And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. 17. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. 18. And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. 19. And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one [was] Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.GENESIS 1:27 would explain Cain's fear.
QUESTIONS:
What made Adam and Eve special? Why does the storyline start with them when spoken by the clergy? Why lead people to believe that GOD told Adam and Eve to replenish the earth when the bible states that GOD told many to replenish the earth? Why is Adam and Eve's bloodline so unique? There is something special about Adam and Eve;Could Adam and Eve be the missing link? GOD set a special place for Adam and Eve after he created other humans...Why?
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