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Obama Fumbles Again ... Military Given Go-Ahead To Detain US Terrorist Suspects Without Trial .. MLK Would Still Be In A Birmingham Jail
Back tracking back stabbing … 5 thumbs fumble. I am happy people like Minister Farakhan said he was not going say anything but just let the movie play. Malcolm said “time will tell”. Looks like Guantanamo Bay will have some new faces … United States Citizens. All the reasons to acquire guns … no simply… GET WEAPONS. This NDAA Act, which the disputed amendment was crafted by Senator John McCain, Senator Levine and Dick Chenny, codifies the old 2001 AUMF (Authorization to Use Military Force) on indefinite detention, does expand the definition of who it applies to and yes Americans weather within or outside of the United States is included. Senator Feinstein amendment which would have excluded Americans was defeated. Even the New York Times Editorial page which has been Pro-Obama comes out to call this “a complete political cave-in, one that reinforces the impression of a fumbling presidency” and lamenting that “the bill has so many other objectionable aspects that we can’t go into them all,” as well as from vocal Obama supporters such as Andrew Sullivan, who wrote yesterday that this episode is “another sign that his campaign pledge to be vigilant about civil liberties in the war on terror was a lie.” Has the likes of John McCain finally posses the key that turns Obama off and on?
Military given go-ahead to detain US terrorist suspects without trial
Civil rights groups dismayed as Barack Obama abandons commitment to veto new security law contained in defence bill
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/15/americans-face-guantana...
Barack Obama has abandoned a commitment to veto a new security law that allows the military to indefinitely detain without trial American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantánamo Bay.
Human rights groups accused the president of deserting his principles and disregarding the long-established principle that the military is not used in domestic policing. The legislation has also been strongly criticised by libertarians on the right angered at the stripping of individual rights for the duration of "a war that appears to have no end".
The law, contained in the defence authorisation bill that funds the US military, effectively extends the battlefield in the "war on terror" to the US and applies the established principle that combatants in any war are subject to military detention.
The legislation's supporters in Congress say it simply codifies existing practice, such as the indefinite detention of alleged terrorists at Guantánamo Bay. But the law's critics describe it as a draconian piece of legislation that extends the reach of detention without trial to include US citizens arrested in their own country.
"It's something so radical that it would have been considered crazy had it been pushed by the Bush administration," said Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch. "It establishes precisely the kind of system that the United States has consistently urged other countries not to adopt. At a time when the United States is urging Egypt, for example, to scrap its emergency law and military courts, this is not consistent."
There was heated debate in both houses of Congress on the legislation, requiring that suspects with links to Islamist foreign terrorist organisations arrested in the US, who were previously held by the FBI or other civilian law enforcement agencies, now be handed to the military and held indefinitely without trial.
The law applies to anyone "who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaida, the Taliban or associated forces".
Senator Lindsey Graham said the extraordinary measures were necessary because terrorism suspects were wholly different to regular criminals.
"We're facing an enemy, not a common criminal organisation, who will do anything and everything possible to destroy our way of life," he said. "When you join al-Qaida you haven't joined the mafia, you haven't joined a gang. You've joined people who are bent on our destruction and who are a military threat."
Graham added that it was right that Americans should be subject to the detention law as well as foreigners. "It is not unfair to make an American citizen account for the fact that they decided to help Al Qaeda to kill us all and hold them as long as it takes to find intelligence about what may be coming next," he said. "And when they say, 'I want my lawyer,' you tell them, 'Shut up. You don't get a lawyer.'"
Other senators supported the new powers on the grounds that al-Qaida was fighting a war inside the US and that its followers should be treated as combatants, not civilians with constitutional protections.
But another conservative senator, Rand Paul, a strong libertarian, has said "detaining citizens without a court trial is not American" and that if the law passes "the terrorists have won".
"We're talking about American citizens who can be taken from the United States and sent to a camp at Guantánamo Bay and held indefinitely. It puts every single citizen American at risk," he said. "Really, what security does this indefinite detention of Americans give us? The first and flawed premise, both here and in the badly named Patriot Act, is that our pre-9/11 police powers were insufficient to stop terrorism. This is simply not borne out by the facts."
Paul was backed by Senator Dianne Feinstein.
"Congress is essentially authorising the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens, without charge," she said. "We are not a nation that locks up its citizens without charge."
Paul said there were already strong laws against support for terrorist groups. He noted that the definition of a terrorism suspect under existing legislation was so broad that millions of Americans could fall within it.
"There are laws on the books now that characterise who might be a terrorist: someone missing fingers on their hands is a suspect according to the department of justice. Someone who has guns, someone who has ammunition that is weatherproofed, someone who has more than seven days of food in their house can be considered a potential terrorist," Paul said. "If you are suspected because of these activities, do you want the government to have the ability to send you to Guantánamo Bay for indefinite detention?"
Under the legislation suspects can be held without trial "until the end of hostilities". They will have the right to appear once a year before a committee that will decide if the detention will continue.
The Senate is expected to give final approval to the bill before the end of the week. It will then go to the president, who previously said he would block the legislation not on moral grounds but because it would "cause confusion" in the intelligence community and encroached on his own powers.
But on Wednesday the White House said Obama had lifted the threat of a veto after changes to the law giving the president greater discretion to prevent individuals from being handed to the military.
Critics accused the president of caving in again to pressure from some Republicans on a counter-terrorism issue for fear of being painted in next year's election campaign as weak and of failing to defend America.
Human Rights Watch said that by signing the bill Obama would go down in history as the president who enshrined indefinite detention without trial in US law.
"The paradigm of the war on terror has advanced so far in people's minds that this has to appear more normal than it actually is," Malinowski said. "It wasn't asked for by any of the agencies on the frontlines in the fight against terrorism in the United States. It breaks with over 200 years of tradition in America against using the military in domestic affairs."
In fact, the heads of several security agencies, including the FBI, CIA, the director of national intelligence and the attorney general objected to the legislation. The Pentagon also said it was against the bill.
The FBI director, Robert Mueller, said he feared the law could compromise the bureau's ability to investigate terrorism because it would be more complicated to win co-operation from suspects held by the military.
"The possibility looms that we will lose opportunities to obtain co-operation from the persons in the past that we've been fairly successful in gaining," he told Congress.
Civil liberties groups say the FBI and federal courts have dealt with more than 400 alleged terrorism cases, including the successful prosecutions of Richard Reid, the "shoe bomber", Umar Farouk, the "underwear bomber", and Faisal Shahzad, the "Times Square bomber".
Elements of the law are so legally confusing, as well as being constitutionally questionable, that any detentions are almost certain to be challenged all the way to the supreme court.
Malinowski said "vague language" was deliberately included in the bill in order to get it passed.
"The very lack of clarity is itself a problem. If people are confused about what it means, if people disagree about what it means, that in and of itself makes it bad law," he said.
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"Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire"! How could we have seen this coming? I sincerely believe that we have been fooled by this man-Obama, and now US citizens are paying the price. He has lied consistantly-by not getting us out of these wars, and invading Lybia without Congressional approval, by not closing Guantanamo Prison, by not making college more affordable, by not helping homeowners avoiding foreclosure, by not giving us the public option on health care, the debt deal debacle, and now-the NDAA signing. OMG. We are now if for the ride of our lives. Our economy is getting ready to tank, so get prepared-as food, water, and shelter will be the new gold. Our jobs are not coming back and neither is the middle class which built this country.
The FEMA camps are here and ready for any and all citizens who protest against the establishment. Haliburton is behind it. This is no lie though-IT'S FOR REAL-FASCISM IS NOT DEAD!
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/new_nationwide_fema_camps_sh...
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Pianki - I forgot to THANK YOU for sharing this most intelligent assessment of factual info which was quite interesting to me. Unfortunately, many of our early Civil Rights pioneers were in fact confronted with certain involuntary abuses that included some pretty unspeakable stuff under Cointelpro, which Congress did officially outlaw in the early 70's, though strangely thousands of innocent U.S citizens (mostly activists, whistleblowers and minorities) began making similar claims post 9/11 tragedy and esp after the inception and extension of Patriot Act.
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You are really right. But today you see this sort of police action filtered down into local communities everywhere. The mentality has broaden and became more intense.
Bennetta said:Pianki - I forgot to THANK YOU for sharing this most intelligent assessment of factual info which was quite interesting to me. Unfortunately, many of our early Civil Rights pioneers were in fact confronted with certain involuntary abuses that included some pretty unspeakable stuff under Cointelpro, which Congress did officially outlaw in the early 70's, though strangely thousands of innocent U.S citizens (mostly activists, whistleblowers and minorities) began making similar claims post 9/11 tragedy and esp after the inception and extension of Patriot Act.
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Permalink Reply by Gregory Rice on -
Thank you Pianki, for posting this, and continuing to monitor this. I made a note of it in WhiteHouse group on LinkedIn, but have yet to see the posting approved.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heJea1_z2Ow&feature=related
Howard R. Lee said:Evidently someone has spiked the Kool-Aid, I can't believe the ignorance I am reading. Tell me again, who is it that would have considered MLK a terrorist? Give me a break man, do you people even think about what you're saying before you put this garbage on the internet for others to read? Out of all the legitimate things Republicans can be held accountable for, you find nothing to criticize them for. Nothing negative to say about their efforts to turn the constitution on it's head by rolling back voters rights back to the days of poll taxes and guessing how many jelly beans are in the jar, etc. etc.. How many of these sillouettes are whites sowing discord. Why aren't you people down in Iowa caucusing for what ever clown is leading in the polls this week?
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@Omega. Yeah, that arms dealers is infested with stories that could be told.
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PIANKI, HERE IS THE NOT SO FUNNY THING,
TAVIS SMILEY CAN WALK OUT HIS OFFICE FRONT DOOR, FACE NORTH AND LOOK ACROSS THE STREET THROUGH LIEMERT PARK AND SEE THE FRONT DOOR OF BOTACH TACTICAL. TAVIS CAN WALK 10-15 YARDS NORTH ON CRENSHAW, TURN TO HIS LEFT FACING WEST AND LOOK ONE BLOCK AND SEE THE FRONT DOOR OF THE LOS ANGELES URBAN LEAGUE. BUT OUR BLACK YOUTH WILL BE THE TARGETS OF THIS NEW LAW NOT BOTACH.
http://www.tavistalks.com/TSG/smiley-group/staff/staff
http://www.botachtactical.com/info2.html
AND THERE IS MORE!!!
IN A BLACK COMMUNITY WITH A BLACK CITY COUNCILMAN (BERNARD PARKS), THE LARGEST BLACK BANK (ONE UNITED) IN THE COUNTRY 2 BLOCKS NORTH ON CRENSHAW BLVD., THE LARGEST BLACK NEWSPAPER (SENTINEL) IN THE COUNTRY ON THE SAME STREET, ONE OF THE LARGEST BLACK CHURCH (WEST ANGELES), IN CONGRESSWOMAN MAXINE WATERS DISTRICT. IT MAKES YOU WONDER IF OUR BLACK BUSINESSMEN, BLACK LEADERS & ELECTED OFFICIALS AND MINISTERS ARE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR BLACK YOUTH WITH THIS NEW LAW!!!
Pianki said:@Omega. Yeah, that arms dealers is infested with stories that could be told.
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"Military Given Go-Ahead To Detain US Terrorist Suspects Without Trial .. MLK Would Still Be In A Birmingham Jail"
I'm sick of people taking issues out of context and running with it, Dr. MLK wasn't a terrorist by any means and to associate him with what's going on today is deplorable. America's bleeding hearts for rights for people who aren't even Americans let alone citizens. The problem here is that many Americans want to remove the work Illegal from laws, which I hope will never happen in my life time! Illegal is just what it is Illegal and nothing should be allowed or provided to illegals. If that law is bent then what comes after that? Illegal Mexicans was protesting there treatment in America but demonstrating while carrying a Mexican flag.
Many of them saying bad things about America. You either want to be legal or not and if not then the goal of the illegals are to accept provisions available to them but ignore American laws... "NOT" Legal immigrants should be really angry that illegal immigrants come here and make it bad for the legal ones. All of the things that the ACLU want with their bleeding hearts seem to not just be for Americans, yet their name signifies that they are the "American Civil Liberties Union" and they can legally defend legal immigrants once they are Americans. No other country fight for non citizens like America does!
Self preservation means taking care of your own first, and right now America needs taking care of by the people and for the people. It seems as though Americans are forgetting who really left the hanging high and dry before President Obama was ever elected. Now that this election is coming up all of the Benedict Arnolds are surfacing. The economy is getting better, the car makers are all in the green now and Osama bin Laden is dead. I could go on and on but I won't, just "GOOGLE" the accomplishments of Pres. Barack Obama during his presidency and that should speak for itself!
Americans should put blame where blame belongs as for the conditions in America today, all of you Americans who buy from companies who out source to China and other third world countries and have their home full of things "Made In China" And as long as these people throw caution to the wind and buy because they don't have the ability to do without and buy merchandise from where ever which has cost the American people their jobs. Want to get made with somebody, get made with yourselves that the jobs are mostly overseas. I'm 100% behind our "POTUS" and will be voting for him once again, he's everything that I expected him to be and more!
"Hail To The Chief"
It was an exciting walk into history on February 2 when "Franklin Delano Roosevelt" (aka noted historical interpreter John Hamant) addressed over 60 citizens at the Hampton History Museum. Staying in character the entire evening as though it were 1944, the "President" praised our nation for the sacrifices it was making in beating back its enemies during World War II. "The businessman, the laborer, the farmer, and the brave members of our armed services are all marching together for greater glory. We are truly a unified nation," he said. Shown above, Billie Einselen was one of many guests who enjoyed chatting with the "President" later that evening and shaking his hand. The Port Hampton Lecture Series, which features historical presentations, takes place on the first Monday evening of each month at the Museum. For information, call 727-1610. God Bless America, my home sweet home!
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