Leave our Great President alone

[Sheila Howard]

Tavis I want you to leave our President alone. Ask yourself ? Could you do what the President has done ? I will answer for you . NO! You need to think before you speak. Instaed of you helping you are hurting Black people. The President is the Presdient of the United States Not the President for Black people. You need special attention from a women not from the President.,

[james wilson]

You see, here's the full proof, a perfect example of the level of insanity, zealotry, and outright personality cult- worship that I was referring to in my post "Is There a Crisis of Sanity in Much of Today's Black America?"

Let's briefly break it down:

1. Personality cult-worshippers tend to view the object of their worship as superior to other mortals, omnipotent (having great unlimited power) and omniscient (having God-like wisdom and knowledge).

 Example: "Could you do what the president has done." Translation: "could you be so smart and powerful (God-like) as a Black man and be elected president?"

2. Such folk tend to think paradoxically, and, of course, irrationally.

Example: "The president is the president of the United States and not the president for Black people."

Remember? A paradox is a true statement that draws an illogical, or irrational conclusion. Therefore, while it is true that the president is the president of the whole country, Black people are also part of the country. So to argue that no attention (which is the current situation) should be given to Blacks' (the very ones who made the election possible) socio-economic needs as citizens is a paradoxical (illogical) conclusion to the whole country argument.

Translation: "I don't mind if Blacks (my family, friends, neighbors, etc.) are ignored, as long as I have my Black president." Which, again, contradicts the whole country argument. A typical example of Blacks defending their own abuse.

3. Lastly, we got the typical ad hominem: "You need special attention from a woman not the president."

 Translation: (note this is probably unconscious on the zealot's part - but is was stated nevertheless - although she doesn't know it.) "I know nothing about policy, foreign, domestic, or otherwise, I'm classically conditioned to respond to my legitimate aspirations, dreams, and hopes, by worshipping what they have been associated with. I don't need to think, study, or learn anything. I have faith that my alter-ego (the object of my worship) will take care of those things for me [although she had never heard of him before three, or so, years ago]. And if O'Tavis would just stop complaining, then there would be nothing to interfere with my perfect world [in her own mind] that my alter-ego has been so great to give me. Tavis could never give me such a perfect world!

"Maybe if I say the most vile thing I can think of about him, he'll just go away. What can it be? Oh, yes, I'll insult his manhood. That gets to a brother every time. Talking about Blacks being poor and out of work. So what? I still got my job."

But just wait until those already scheduled $1.5 trillion cuts in domestic spending kick-in next year (plus the additional $3.5 trillion the president promised, in his 2012 State-of -the- Union address, to push through). A statement that she was too enthralled to pay attention to.

Personally, I think that will be the best cure for this zealotry and cult-worshipping insanity.

 

 

[Sheila Howard]

Again this is the Best President ever. Tavis does need to think before he speaks.. Black people are going to have to do a better job in gettin out to Vote. I have listen to Tavis for a long time speaking against the President which make me have no respect for him.And other people feel the same. President does not owe Tavis anything.  The President can't say he will do something special for Black people if he does  He want be in the House for another four years..But the President will be back for another four years. Tavis find something useful to do to help Black people , Help get a law pass to have all white Juries rule as unconstitution. But you leave our President alone and I mean now like Today.

[Jacquelyn N'Jai]

Shelia one thing I noticed about Tavis Smiley and Dr. West, is that they are more less asking probing and critical questions about the President that all of us should ask about anyone running for or who is a president. Mr. Smiley even allowed President Obama to be on his show to get both sides of their views. The President and Mr. Smiley shook hands and it was a good show. I think it helped the President be able to explain or expel some myths. They seemed to have their facts straight about issues and the focus is on specific things the President has or has not done that he promised to do. I can accept that. (Even if I disagree or I am all for President Obama). I think Brother Smiley and West have a good point regarding the President standing up for poverty of any color people. Although, I think in the President's own way he has tried to impartially address those issues. One such way is when he gave all people who do not make very much money, tax credits. He unsuccessfully tried to get the rich to pay taxes but was out numbered so he strategically compromised to get unemployed benefits for years. For a first time inexperienced President, he is doing what those wicked republicans have not done and they are upset because our President made SOME changes no one else wanted to or did. He cannot please everyone. No matter what he does, someone will be dissatisfied. Do I agree with all his tactics (NO)? Yet, I think there is no other Presidential candidate I'd vote for except him. Others are 10-100% times worse.

More importantly, some others are being racist toward the President and his family, showing outright disrespect for him because he is a black man, making serious threats against his (and his family's) life, they do not have any facts to substantiate them unwarranted solely political attacks, and/or are just trying to get into office. For example:

Federal judge who sent racist Obama e-mail requests review

Mitch Daniels's unfounded claim: President Obama wanted higher gas

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

"You see, here's the full proof, a perfect example of the level of insanity, zealotry, and outright personality cult- worship that I was referring to in my post "Is There a Crisis of Sanity in Much of Today's Black America?" By our brother here Mr. Wilson.

I can go on and on.

[Sheila Howard]

I just wanted to point out, I and others are upset with Tavis about speaking against our President. Some people are easy to misunderstand  and for Travis with his negative speaking could cause some people not to vote. I still say if he has anything to say to our President then address your concerns to him. I love our President and have much respect. President is not going to do everything that is ask . Again he is the President of the United States and cannot grant Black people special favorites but I feel that he has and will take care of Black people .He has already done so Health CARE and jobs. We don't need extra problems added to our President list. He has had enough done to him along with disrespect let's not add to it Tavis. You are wrong and I will stand by that.

[Sheila Howard]

Also to James Wilson : I said the President does not owe Black people anything. And he does not .I said the President is the President of the United States which includes Black people.He cannot give Black people special attention or he will not be elected again. He is taking care of us in his own way. White people also made it possbile for the first Black President. So let's be fair to the President as he is fair to us.Everyone talking negative could not do the President job . A fact. We need to listen and open our eyes the President has tried to do many good things that was block by the Republicans .So don't tell me that our Presdient has not tried to do for Black People . He cannot say I will create jobs for Black people . He is working. Leave him alone.He has not ignored Black people . Stop with this . You know he can call out special things to do for Black people. We have to get out and vote. And Tavis is wrong for his negative speaking inregards to our Great Great President.

[Sheila Howard]

Sheila Howard said:

Also to James Wilson : I said the President does not owe Black people anything. And he does not .I said the President is the President of the United States which includes Black people.He cannot give Black people special attention or he will not be elected again. He is taking care of us in his own way. White people also made it possbile for the first Black President. So let's be fair to the President as he is fair to us.Everyone talking negative could not do the President job . A fact. We need to listen and open our eyes the President has tried to do many good things that was block by the Republicans .So don't tell me that our Presdient has not tried to do for Black People . He cannot say I will create jobs for Black people . He is working. Leave him alone.He has not ignored Black people . Stop with this . You know he can call out special things to do for Black people. We have to get out and vote. And Tavis is wrong for his negative speaking inregards to our Great Great President.

[james wilson]

Thank you, I'm listening. Please, tell me more.

[Sheila Howard]

Hello

Thanks for listening! I just am upset on how our President is being treated. No other Presiodent has been treated this way.And when Tavis spoke negative against out President this really upset me. Why is Tavis not trying to tackle other issues that Black people are dealing with. Like getting with others  to have all white Juries rule as unconstitution.This is why our people are going to Prison for years and the other race gets Probation or house arrest. No we can't d discuss this and take actions . I love our President and I will not allow anyone to discuss him in a negative way. If he wasn't in the White House to protect us .We would be back in the times. Let's attack issues that needs to be deal with and let our President continue to do his job. 

[james wilson]

"Tavis spoke negative against out [sic] president this really upset me."

So you're upset because Tavis and others spoke out against the fact that African Americans have lost over $200 billion in home forclosures Since 2009 (wealth that can no longer be inherited by their children), an official unemployment rate 16.9 % (last summer) and an unofficial rate of over 50% and still growing, plus an increased poverty rate among all African Americans (especially children) of well over 50% in some places. And the only reponse from the president to Blacks has been to tell them: "Shut up, stop complaining, and take off your [welefare queen] bedroom slippers!"

Do I understand you correctly, when I interpret you to be saying that this abuse is OK, and that you support the abuse, just because it is a Black president (and not a white one) who is doing the overt abuse before the whole world?

"I love our president and I will not allow anyone to discuss him in a negative way."

Also, it seems that your feelings are that no one should say anything about these things because the career of one person is worth more than the well-being of millions of Black people (including children), because you are in a one-way love (worship) relationship.

"If he wasn't in the White House to protect us. [sic] We would be back in the times."

So, am I correct in understanding you to say that his refusal to do anything about the things stated above, is in your mind, protecting us? That this failure to act has not put us "back in the times?"

Also, it seems that you believe that it is Tavis's responsibility to change the abuse of Blacks by the criminal justice system, even though the president (not Tavis) appoints the heads of the Justice Department, judges to the Supreme Court, various Federal Courts, as well as various federal District Attorneys for every region in the country.

Did you know this? If you did know this, then how could it be possible for Tavis (or anyone) to be critical of the issues you raised without at some level criticizing your object of worship? I feel that I can use the term worship with you without offense, because you agree that it is worship.

I agree with your concerns about Blacks and the criminal justice system. You are smart to know those things.

So, as you can see, I am listening to you. I have thought about every thing you said. If there is anything that I have missed --let me know.

Please, tell me more.

 

 

[james wilson]

I can listen to you better if you keep the discussion on one page at a time. I was already listening to you on this page, but then you go and start a whole new page and titled your discussion, "James Wilson Please Listen."

In it you wrote the following things:

"Maybe you didn't understand what I said. I said that I was upset that Tavis spoke out against our president in a negative way. He is just a negative person."

Well, I do understand that you are upset with Tavis. I was listening and you made that clear. What I need to better understand is how come you are so upset with him for speaking out on the behalf of Black and other poor people. Have you ever thought about the fact that since poverty is growing, you might be next, unless you (unlike most Blacks) are doing very well and have enough wealth to see you through?

It is possible that you have become too personally, and emotionally, involved in the matter of Tavis and the president and you are viewing it from a personal relationship experience rather than the Political situation that it is. Afterall, Tavis is not the only Black person to express disagreements with some of the president's policies.

You wrote: "I don't think anybody can please Tavis. And the President don't [sic] have to please Tavis."

Again, you are  personalizing the matter. You totally ignored all the economic policy and other issues that were raised by Tavis (some of which I listed in my last post above). Do I understand you to be saying that it's all about "Tavis" and not about the issues Tavis raises and the people whose lives those issues affect, including your own?

In your personalizing the matter, it's as if you are saying: "I am excited and self affirmed when I see Black faces in high places and that's all that's important to me. I live through them and get my self worth from them vicariously. Tavis was my relationship for a while with his being on TV and all. But Tavis needs to understand that someone has come along who got it going on better than him [evidence:"Tavis could never do what the president did... he could never become prersident because of his mouth"], and its over between us. I was willing to end the relationship on good terms, but Tavis doesn't want to accept it that way. He's going around "hating" on my new affair, trying to break us up. And I'm upset with him about it because if he keeps it up Black people (my family, and friends) might  hear him, and believe what he is saying, and run my new affair out of my life [you described it as "not come out and vote"] and I won't be able to see him again. All because of Tavis. Tavis has gone too far with his jealous mouth. He needs to understand that it's over between us, and he needs to leave my new affair alone and go and find himself somebody else [evidence: "Tavis needs to stop looking the president and look at a woman."]

See, I was listening. You also said: "We just need to get out and vote like all others then the president could do more for Black people without doing what Tavis want him to."

I understood you to be saying: " I contradict my earlier statement that the President shouldn't do anything for Black people. I didn't really mean that, I meant that if that would end my new relationship, then he shouldn't do anything for black people. And I hope he never does anything that Tavis says, because that would seem like Tavis is still part of my business and he's not. It's over between us."

Finally, you said :"Thanks to Al Sharpton, Steve Harvey, J Anthony Brown and Many Many more that has[sic] the president back. I forgot Jessie Jackson."

I wonder if you are aware that those people are miillionaires (Harvey, Joyner, and Sharpton brag about their money and openly mock the poor.) Harvey boosts that, "the best thing I can do for poor people is not be one of them." Joyner mocks the poor by pretending to drive "an old raggedy Pinto car" to work. And Sharpton is well known to sniff out a dollar like a hunting hound sniffing out game. Therefore, they will not be affected, as you probably will be, by the $1.5 trillion dollars in domestic spending cuts that the president pushed through last summer (he wanted $4 trillion) and the additional $3.5 trillion in cuts he promised to push through in his 2012 State of the Union Address). As crazy as most of the ones you mentioned are about money, I bet their attitudes would be different if these cuts in social safety nets would affect them (like they will you). But they will only affect the already poor, as well as reduce many others who are barely holding on into abject poverty.

If you are aware this, then what I understand you to be saying is: "I don't care how poor I get, how broke I might become. I just want Tavis to stay out of my new relationship. And if my new relationship, my alter-ego, my object of worship, abuses me in terms of social / economic policies, then it aint Tavis's business if he does. It's over between Tavis and me."

I have listened enough.

My recommendations to you are as follow:

1. Stop personalizing political matters. If you support a political canididate, make sure you are aware of that person's policies as they relate to your social/ economic / political well-being. Do not let other people tell you who to vote for or support. Never blindly give your trust anyone. That's how people set themselves up to be played. When you support a candidate (or person in general), make sure that he/she is doing things in your interest. Being "proud" is one thing, paying your bills is a another.

For example, how will these upcoming cuts affect you, your family, friends, and neighobors? Have you thought about that? If not, what are you waiting for?  Are you waiting for the people you mentioned to think about those things for you? Have they even mentioned theses things to you? And if they haven't mentioned them, why haven't they?

Yes, you have the right to your emotional and self-esteem needs. But get those needs met in your personal life. They have no place in your political considerations. When you involve these powerful and important emotions in matters that require reasoning, they tend to blur thinking.

2. Avoid falling so deeply in love (whether it's in your personal life, or otherwise) that you can't critique the object of your love. Everyone needs to be able to look at those they love and see the need for corrective actions when such actions are needed.

That ends my listening to you. My assessment of the overall situation remains unchanged and is contained in my post: "Is There a Crisis of Sanity in Much of Today's Black America." 

 

[Sheila Howard]

I guess you just don't get it :Let me make this short and clear and this will be the end. My point is Tavis could mislead some people in to not getting out and vote with his negative mouth . But then again most people know he has some serious problems with his mouth which is part of why he had to leave (BET).As for you. You don't known me . And it's in Black and White , easy to see our President has try to do things  that would help all Americans but it was block I hope you get but I know you want. I don't need you to listen to me  I have many people that listen to me that has common sense and that does not include you.

[james wilson]

But you still have not explained how those cuts will affect you. You keep referencing how others have "blocked" things. That's a cop-out. I follow these matters closely, and I don't know of anything that was designed to help the public that was "blocked."

No one "blocked" those cuts, although many in the Progressive Caucus and the CBC tried to block the cuts because the cuts will hurt ordinary folks like you and I. 

Some CBC members had to beg many like yourself to let them fight for you. Why? Why must someone beg people to let them help them? Also, why would you be so interested in Black people voting when you think , said it over and again, that nothing should be done for Black people? "The president doesn't owe Black people anything," according to you.

If this is true, then what do Black people owe him?

Moreover, Tavis and no one else can influence people to not vote if they think that it is in their interest to vote. If people don't vote, it's because they think, as I often hear them say , that "things have gotten worse" for them. That's not Tavis's fault.

Tavis will not be affected by the cuts. As far as I know, he's doing quite well.

That's why I respect Tavis and Dr. West for advocating for people less fortunate than themselves; putting a lot on the line, suffering ad hominem attacks from people who have been conditioned (programed) to support their own abuse. 

When those cuts come (that have been deliberately put off until after the election), you might want to ask Tom Joyner to help you with your bills.  I know what his answer will be: "You need to ask your 'player' to help you 'playerette.'"

Take care.