Leave our Great President alone

[Sheila Howard]

Tavis I want you to leave our President alone. Ask yourself ? Could you do what the President has done ? I will answer for you . NO! You need to think before you speak. Instaed of you helping you are hurting Black people. The President is the Presdient of the United States Not the President for Black people. You need special attention from a women not from the President.,

[Tim Caffery]

Here a irrevilant quote from some insignificant, purely nolstalgic figure from the past:
"Merely to set the record straight, may I state that repeatedly, in public addresses & in
my writings, I have unequivocally declared my hatred for this most colossal of all evils &
I have condemned any organizer of war, regardless of his rank or nationality."[A Testament of Hope, p. 34]

Sheila Howard said:

Also to James Wilson : I said the President does not owe Black people anything. And he does not .I said the President is the President of the United States which includes Black people.He cannot give Black people special attention or he will not be elected again. He is taking care of us in his own way. White people also made it possbile for the first Black President. So let's be fair to the President as he is fair to us.Everyone talking negative could not do the President job . A fact. We need to listen and open our eyes the President has tried to do many good things that was block by the Republicans .So don't tell me that our Presdient has not tried to do for Black People . He cannot say I will create jobs for Black people . He is working. Leave him alone.He has not ignored Black people . Stop with this . You know he can call out special things to do for Black people. We have to get out and vote. And Tavis is wrong for his negative speaking inregards to our Great Great President.

[Tim Caffery]

DAMN! I hope my net comments are this well put together! Excellent example of critical, unbiased analysis. Thanks for taking the time.

james wilson said:

You see, here's the full proof, a perfect example of the level of insanity, zealotry, and outright personality cult- worship that I was referring to in my post "Is There a Crisis of Sanity in Much of Today's Black America?"

Let's briefly break it down:

1. Personality cult-worshippers tend to view the object of their worship as superior to other mortals, omnipotent (having great unlimited power) and omniscient (having God-like wisdom and knowledge).

 Example: "Could you do what the president has done." Translation: "could you be so smart and powerful (God-like) as a Black man and be elected president?"

2. Such folk tend to think paradoxically, and, of course, irrationally.

Example: "The president is the president of the United States and not the president for Black people."

Remember? A paradox is a true statement that draws an illogical, or irrational conclusion. Therefore, while it is true that the president is the president of the whole country, Black people are also part of the country. So to argue that no attention (which is the current situation) should be given to Blacks' (the very ones who made the election possible) socio-economic needs as citizens is a paradoxical (illogical) conclusion to the whole country argument.

Translation: "I don't mind if Blacks (my family, friends, neighbors, etc.) are ignored, as long as I have my Black president." Which, again, contradicts the whole country argument. A typical example of Blacks defending their own abuse.

3. Lastly, we got the typical ad hominem: "You need special attention from a woman not the president."

 Translation: (note this is probably unconscious on the zealot's part - but is was stated nevertheless - although she doesn't know it.) "I know nothing about policy, foreign, domestic, or otherwise, I'm classically conditioned to respond to my legitimate aspirations, dreams, and hopes, by worshipping what they have been associated with. I don't need to think, study, or learn anything. I have faith that my alter-ego (the object of my worship) will take care of those things for me [although she had never heard of him before three, or so, years ago]. And if O'Tavis would just stop complaining, then there would be nothing to interfere with my perfect world [in her own mind] that my alter-ego has been so great to give me. Tavis could never give me such a perfect world!

"Maybe if I say the most vile thing I can think of about him, he'll just go away. What can it be? Oh, yes, I'll insult his manhood. That gets to a brother every time. Talking about Blacks being poor and out of work. So what? I still got my job."

But just wait until those already scheduled $1.5 trillion cuts in domestic spending kick-in next year (plus the additional $3.5 trillion the president promised, in his 2012 State-of -the- Union address, to push through). A statement that she was too enthralled to pay attention to.

Personally, I think that will be the best cure for this zealotry and cult-worshipping insanity.

 

 

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[Denise Harris]

Thats right! The President will be re-elected and we do love him! He has done more good for this country & the world for that matter. Since in office he has motivated different countries into democracy. They rose up & stood up to their corrupt governments. They wanted to be free. And, Americans wanto be free also. Free from racist & greedy people who would rather fall on a sword, than see the President re-elected. I don't believe that my brother & homey Tavis is one of these people. Tavis  & Dr. West are not against the President's success. We must stand up in America to assure the President is re-elected. The GOP aka Romney is a lier, bigot, greedy, elite, hypocrite. The White House is no place for him.

[UMOJA]

Hear hear, Brother Wilson, Sister Howard & N'Jai for leading this conversation in the right direction. Malcolm once said that " You can't be so blind with patriotism[perhaps race pride in this case] that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong no matter who does  it. " And Obama is wrong. So very wrong! 

P.S. That, by any stretch of the imagination, doesn't mean vote Republican.

[Sandra Phillips]

I respect Mr. Tavis Smiley's & Dr. Cornel West's efforts in holding President Obama accountable to our community: squeaky wheels get the grease.  President Obama is not whining about accountability: he is perfectly capable of standing up for himself in this matter.  I think all three men are highly honorable and about the business of succeeding for the country and the community. I am expecting great things!

[james wilson]

Good post Ms. Phillips,

However, I must disagree with one point you made about the president not "whining" about being held accountable. That is inaccurate. The president does whine when African Americans attempt to hold him accountable. Remember how he insulted Blacks (to the Blacks' delight) at the 2011 CBC conference, simply because some CBC members attempted to hold him accountable to ease Blacks' historically high unemployment  rates, lost of wealth (due to home fore closures), etc., and he responded angrily: "Stop whining, stop complaining, take off your [welfare queen] bedroom slippers"? The same thing Reagan said to Blacks.

In fact, as far as expecting "great things" goes, I wish I could share your optimism. But realistically, I can't.  In my view, regardless which Republican wins, the one already in office, or the one vying for the office, we will get right wing social/ economic/ political policies. To know this, all one has to do is pay attention. 

 

[Sandra Phillips]

I think the president merely wanted to keep Blacks from despairing. He was not diplomatic in the statement, but I don't consider it whining.

[james wilson]

OK, it wasn't whining. It was paternalistic scolding. But keep Blacks from despairing? I don't see how telling a suffering community to literally shut up and don't bother me is an effort, or way, to prevent despair. To prevent despair, one gives a compassionate promise of relief from the suffering, e.g., "help is on the way." At least that's how I understand it.

Consider these two scenarios, Ms. Phillips, and explain to me which you think is heartless scolding, and which is designed to prevent despair.

A child has not eaten in two days. The child cries out for food. The parent (1) says to the child: "Don't worry dear, we'll have food soon." (2) the parent says: "Shut up. Stop whining. Stop complaining."

Can you enlighten me on that? If you can, then you may.

 

[Sandra Phillips]

james wilson said:

OK, it wasn't whining. It was paternalistic scolding. But keep Blacks from despairing? I don't see how telling a suffering community to literally shut up and don't bother me is an effort, or way, to prevent despair. To prevent despair, one gives a compassionate promise of relief from the suffering, e.g., "help is on the way." At least that's how I understand it.

Consider these two scenarios, Ms. Phillips, and explain to me which you think is heartless scolding, and which is designed to prevent despair.

A child has not eaten in two days. The child cries out for food. The parent (1) says to the child: "Don't worry dear, we'll have food soon." (2) the parent says: "Shut up. Stop whining. Stop complaining."

Can you enlighten me on that? If you can, then you may.

 

[Sandra Phillips]

Sandra Phillips said:

james wilson said:

OK, it wasn't whining. It was paternalistic scolding. But keep Blacks from despairing? I don't see how telling a suffering community to literally shut up and don't bother me is an effort, or way, to prevent despair. To prevent despair, one gives a compassionate promise of relief from the suffering, e.g., "help is on the way." At least that's how I understand it.

Consider these two scenarios, Ms. Phillips, and explain to me which you think is heartless scolding, and which is designed to prevent despair.

A child has not eaten in two days. The child cries out for food. The parent (1) says to the child: "Don't worry dear, we'll have food soon." (2) the parent says: "Shut up. Stop whining. Stop complaining."

Can you enlighten me on that? If you can, then you may.

 

[Sandra Phillips]

I agree with you that the problems you illuminate exist and that the president's response was not compassionate.  I do believe with forums such as this, along with some compassion toward the president as well, the needs will be addressed.  If some "Republican" is elected, the needs will not be addressed, and President Obama is not a Republican, just a harried Democrat who could use some moral support along with the agenda from our community. I believe that a president is able to work on agendas more fully in the second term after there is no concern for re-election.

Sandra Phillips said:

Sandra Phillips said:

james wilson said:

OK, it wasn't whining. It was paternalistic scolding. But keep Blacks from despairing? I don't see how telling a suffering community to literally shut up and don't bother me is an effort, or way, to prevent despair. To prevent despair, one gives a compassionate promise of relief from the suffering, e.g., "help is on the way." At least that's how I understand it.

Consider these two scenarios, Ms. Phillips, and explain to me which you think is heartless scolding, and which is designed to prevent despair.

A child has not eaten in two days. The child cries out for food. The parent (1) says to the child: "Don't worry dear, we'll have food soon." (2) the parent says: "Shut up. Stop whining. Stop complaining."

Can you enlighten me on that? If you can, then you may.