West talks about his role as a plaintiff in the lawsuit against the National Defense Authorization Act, which granted new powers to the U.S. military on domestic soil.

Smiley: When we were in New York with Michael Moore at the Left Forum, I laughed so hard when he welcomed the undercover NYPD in the audience.

West: I’m a plaintiff now in that case against the U.S. government where the President has the right to assassinate and murder whoever he wants.

   

For more on the lawsuit, go to www.stopNDAA.org.

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Thanks for sharing!!

And what about the rest of the laws this degenerate, black-faced cracker has signed into law on behalf of his masters?

 

 Obama Il Duce

 

 

First the black-faced cracker signed the extension of the Patriot Act, one provision of which is  "sneak 'n peek" which allows the government to enter your home, without a warrant, to look around.

 

After the unlawful assassination of Osama Ben Laden , the black-faced cracker  decided to do his masters proud by signing in NDAA which allows the government to disappear its citizens and to murder them at will.

 

But that wasn't enough, then the black-faced cracker signed the "National Defense Resources Preparedness" which allows the executive to take over the whole country whenever he feels like it. 

 

What about the warrantless seizures of your laptops and smartphones by the TSA as the black-cracker now effects these laws declaring "constitution-free"zones.

 

What about the warrantless wiretaps on your phones? 

 

And even though the court eventually said, "no",  it was the position of this black-faced cracker's adminstration that the government ought to be allowed to place GPS sensors on your cars without a warrant.

 

And what about the "warmaking" power that used to belong to Congress? The black-faced cracker now says what????  

 

 


             Panetta: ‘Use of military force can be granted by UN or NATO, not Congress' 


Christopher Collins
Paulding County Republican Examiner



(Paulding County, Georgia) The Obama administration and Defense Secretary Panetta are contending that when offensive military action is needed, it does not have to go to Congress first for permission but that international agreements, the UN or NATO can override Congressional acts of authorization of war or use of force.

At a hearing that was held in Washington on March 7, 2012, Sen. Sessions of the Senate Armed Services Committee questioned not only Defense Secretary Leon Panetta but also of Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey about offensive military action and the permissions that are needed.

Both Panetta and General Dempsey indicated that "international permission," rather than Congressional approval, provided a 'legal basis' for military action by the United States.

In other words, they explained that they didn’t need permission by the Congress and can pursue offensive military action without Congress’ involvement and that the UN would dictate when and how the hostilities would occur, therefore bypassing the War Powers Act.
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As a result, a resolution bill, HR 107, has been introduced in Congress by Republican US Congressman Walter Jones, Jr. of North Carolina that addresses this issue.

The bill, H. Con. Resolution 107 states; “Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under Article II, section 4 of the Constitution.

Whereas the cornerstone of the Republic is honoring Congress's exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that, except in response to an actual or imminent attack against the territory of the United States, the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress violates Congress's exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution and therefore constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under article II, section 4 of the Constitution.”

The statements by Panetta and Gen. Dempsey caught the eye of one of the 2012 Presidential Republican candidates, Newt Gingrich who stated, “I have been told that the secretary of defense has suggested that international agreements override the Congress. If he believes that, he should resign tonight.”

Before the end of the hearing, Sen. Sessions stated, “Well I’m all for having international support, but I’m really baffled by the idea that somehow an international assembly provides a legal basis for the United States military to deploy in combat. I don’t believe it’s close to being correct.”

 

O'bomber is one of the slimiest people on planet earth. 

 

 

 

 

It is good to get back here with Smiley & Dr. West because I think Dr. West is trying to tell the whole truth and not part truth and then sell the Democrat party.  I'm listening to Van Jones on Democracynow.org and appreciate some things he has to say and not other things.  Certainly he is right that the Rev. Right should have been given a place of respect, especially since his sermons where about USian history and the terrorism committed daily from around 1492 to the lynching that continued to take place nearly up until the 1960's with the Viet Nam war.  The Indians were the first slaves of the U.S. and they were completely wiped out on the island of Hispaniola and in places all over the Americas they were enslaved and killed.  Then the Dutch, Portuguese and other Europeans in the mid 15th century began to bring Africans to the Americas, which were soon enslaved and were greatly responsible for the foundation of the Americas.  After Van Jones mentions how terrible it is that Reverend Right does not get due respect, he then speaks of Prof. Gates and Pres. Obama not getting respect from the police at Yale.  Finally he brings up the understanding he has about how very vulnerable the young Trayvon Martin and other young black men are today.  There should be more respect for different races and religions, but at the very least the laws should protect all the people of this country.  


It is perhaps even more important to protect the most vulnerable and to make sure the system works for them; because if the system does not work for the vulnerable, it will work only for the powerful and wealthy.  This country should have began to speak up for the most vulnerable held in the Concentration Camp in Guantanamo Cuba immediately and yet there were not enough people willing to either research or to take a stand on the those innocent uncharged tortured in the camp (now for the 10th year) because it was unpopular and uncomfortable.  Now we have the NDAA and other abusive laws that favor the powerful and the wealthy and hopefully we will all wake up and be more like the Hasians who have shown that there is no time to bow down to the unjust powerful.  

It is so sad to see that Van Jones is saying that the country is better with PRes. Obama, which has kept the very same policies of violence against the vulnerable as Pres. Bush.  Pres. Obama has had the man in the military, Bradley Manning, suspected of telling the U.S. public the truth about war crimes tortured.  He alsoe e called the leader of Yemen to have the journalist who had pictures of Pres. Obama committing the war crime of having 100 families bombed put into prison after being beaten badly (reported by Jeremy Scahill on Democracynow.org).  This is the point at which I cannot agree with Mr. Van Jones, because he says our country has been better since Pres. Obama has been in office. It is not true.  I'm sorry that as the first African American president he has appeared to be sold out to violence and to creating a stronger power against the vulnerable, but he has.  You know someone dear to me bought the lie that all Muslims were "bad", which is the sales job that came with the U.S. concentration camp in Guantanamo Cuba, but I reminded him that there is NO LARGE group of people that are either all good or all bad.  In order to get as close to equality as we can we must try to keep our laws fair and just.  The law against the Bradley Manning, the victims of Guantanamo and Trayvon are neither fair nor just and thus we have much work to do.  

By the way my name is Susan Hall, I'm part of the Gree

n Party in Colorado and am a candidate for the Green Party.  

What can we, the American people, do?


We must get Obama out of office-ASAP- and have someone like Rocky Anderson as our President. Unless we do this- we can expect 4 more years of what Obama has done to us so far-and in my opinion-"HE IS NO AMERICAN AT ALL, SINCE HE SIGNED THE NDAA INTO LAW.

 First, recognize that the Democratic and Republican Parties are a democracy-destroying political duopoly, which has joined forces in shafting the vast majority of Americans, who are struggling every day to just get by, while serving politicians' campaign contributors, including Wall Street bankers, for-profit insurance companies, the pharmaceutical industry, hedge fund managers, for-profit colleges (many of which are owned by investment banks), and anti-union forces. These Democrats and Republicans deregulated the financial industry and looked the other way while financial institutions and their officers engaged in wholesale fraud -- all of which led to the economic melt-down from which we are still reeling, while the perpetrators are still lining their pockets with multi-million dollar bonuses, derived from government bail-outs. 

They are the same duopoly that has caved to the fossil fuel industry in failing to provide essential international leadership to prevent the most catastrophic consequences of climate change. They have become so craven that President Obama even vetoed the EPA's effort to reduce the emission of ground level ozone and has now paved the way for the southern leg of the Keystone XL Pipeline and vastly expanded offshore oil drilling.

They are the same duopoly that thinks so little of our democracy that they have made it almost impossible for any new party or independent candidate to get on several states' ballots -- and, through their total control of the Presidential Debate Commission, which hijacked the presidential debates from the League of Women Voters, have prevented any non-plutocratic voices from being heard by the electorate during presidential debates.

In short, each of us can say: "We're not going to take it any more. We have drawn our line -- and won't budge from it. 

- We won't support anyone who disregards our Constitution and the rule of law.

- We won't support anyone who tortures, authorizes torture, or opposes accountability for those who torture. 

- We won't support anyone who targets U.S. citizens for assassination. 

- We won't support anyone who will not work to stop the insane and inhumane incarceration of 2.3 million people, many of them for non-violent offenses -- an incarceration rate far greater than any other nation on earth and which is applied with a vengeance toward African-Americans and Latinos.

- We won't support anyone who fails and refuses to face up to the need for rational, compassionate immigration reform.

- We won't support anyone who will not commit to provide our students with an equal opportunity to obtain a higher education and equip themselves to be competitive globally with students and employees in other nations.

- We won't support anyone who asserts the power to kidnap and indefinitely detain people, including U.S. citizens, without charges, trial, assistance of legal counsel, or right of habeas corpus -- perhaps the most subversive, anti-American stance ever taken by a Congress or a President in our nation's history. 

- We won't support anyone who takes, or purports to authorize a president to take, our nation to war without a finding by Congress that war is justified -- and without compliance with the U.N. Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory. 

- We won't support anyone who allows the continuation of Bush's budget-busting tax breaks for the wealthy. 

- We won't support anyone who makes it more difficult for working men and women to organize. 

- We won't support anyone who continues to allow multi-national corporations to profit by depriving U.S. workers of their jobs while exporting millions of jobs with nearly slave conditions in other nations.

- We won't support anyone who refuses to implement programs like the Works Progress Administration to hire millions of people to build up our nation's rapidly deteriorating infrastructure. 

- We won't support anyone who refuses to strengthen, rather than undermine, the safety nets provided by Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. 

- We won't support anyone who fails to provide crucial leadership on climate change and a thriving clean energy economy.

- We won't support anyone who refuses to commit to do everything possible to rid our government and electoral system of the corrupting influence of money.

- And we won't support anyone who refuses to join the rest of the industrialized world in providing a health care system that costs much less, produces far better medical outcomes, and is available to everyone.

For those who are cynical, for those who are resigned to not being able to overcome the corruption and perversity of the influence of money in our plutocracy -- that is, government of, by, and for the wealthy --, I urge you to find inspiration in our own nation's long history of progressive social movements, as well as from recent examples in the Arab world.

Major movements, such as the anti-slavery movement, the women's suffrage movement, the labor movement, and the civil rights movement, all succeeded because of the tenacious, passionate commitment and activism by people, organized at the grass roots level. And there was a lot of money aligned against many of them -- yet they prevailed.

Consider also that people in the Arab world -- for instance, in Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya -- recently organized, utilizing the democratized means of communication offered by social media, and succeeded in overthrowing long-time oppressive dictators. So, too, can the people of the United States, organize together, take a principled, courageous stand, and overthrow the corrupting influence of money in our government, including our electoral system, and achieve the restoration of the rule of law, a recommitment to fundamental constitutional principles, the reestablishment of the system of checks and balances essential to our republic, and a recommitment to the core values that will make this country great again: freedom, equal opportunity, compassion, and security.

* * * *

Ben Franklin was approached by a woman as he was leaving the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. She asked him, "Doctor, what do we have -- a monarchy or a republic?" Franklin responded, "A republic, ma'am, if you can keep it." 

It's up to us. If we don't take action, and insist on a return to the practices and policies that reaffirm our most fundamental values, our republic and all it stands for could be lost forever. However, if we will, we can restore our republic and breathe life once again into our Constitution and recommit to all that can make this nation once again what the Founders, and those who have given their lives for our freedoms and values, intended and expected.


Obama is nothing more that a puppet for the Rothchilds, the Trilateral Commission, the IMF, the Federal Reserve, and about 100 of the wealthiest people on the planet. 


Our wars are nothing more than a, LIE and a power grab for OIL, and to set up bases in the middle east. 

Watch this powerful video by Dr Dahlia Wasfi as it will make you cry your eyes out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7VeWRrhEsk&feature=relmfu

Since 9/11, the U.S.A. has comprehensively reduced civil liberties in the name of an expanded security state. The outlook on U.S. life and freedoms leaves one hard to sing truthfully "...O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?!" where bravery is under legislative attack too.  Patriots abound with the return of "Give me freedom or give me death!?"

NDAA is absolutely disgusting.

And only an African-American president had the nerve to do it!

It's Anti BILL OF RIGHTS!

It's anti CONSTITUTION!

It sucks!

Jimmy Shine

http://www.facebook.com/joshine1

After reading the article in the Miami Herald, written by one of the attorney's of the Victim from the U.S. concentration camp in Guantanamo, Cuba about how the Obama administration is getting ready to have the capital punishment enacted against suspected 9-11 men, I wrote the following:

Following By Susan Hall 4 Colorado Congress w/Green Party 

Torture to get lies or keep back the truth from the public & kill for absolute control as seen with the torturing of the following: Pvt. Manning, Pvt. Padilla, Dr. Afia Siddiqui, Journalist Shaye, 22 children in Guantanamo & 700 random race profiled people, including a 90 yr. old man, considered the "worst of the worst" if you believe this we should find out what this race eats to be that "bad ass" at 12 yrs. old & 90 yrs. old. 

Of course we can look at any of the dictators throughout history & know why they "kill", whether the killing is called assassination, murder, or legal presidential permission/authorized; it is to promote propaganda and to gain absolute control through deception and fear, which is what the Bush-Obama team have done. They have shown they can beat & defile people in U.S. prisons to death, they can execute 1,000's in Iraq prisons as Wikileaks reported, and as journalist Shaye reported with photos Pres. Obama can authorize bombings in foreign countries and blame it on al Qaeda, even though over 100 members of innocent families are killed, assassinated, collateral damaged, or murdered since it was with foreknowledge and intent. 

Who will be charged for the 3rd building that came down within sec. or min. of the same length of time it took the other two buildings known as the twin towers. There was no plane, so will they be charging the man who said, "pull it" with the death penalty and not even torture him for TEN long years? 

There is an 'ol analogy about a frog in a steaming pot.  If you throw a frog in a steam pot he will protest and try to get out, however if you put a frog in room water temperature and slowly turn up the heat, you will be able to cook him without protest.

Similarly when the government wants to introduce a very unpopular law, they start out small.  For Example the seat belt law.  The seat belt law started as a secondary infraction: If the police stop you for one thing then they can ticket you for not wearing a seat belt but the fine would be small.  Once people were used to the idea of a fine for not wearing a seat belt, then the government rewrote the law and made it so that yes they can stop and yes the fine is very stiff at over a hundred dollars.

Similarly the NDAA is such a law.  Today it is the law in the theater of battle and tomorrow it will be the law of the land if only they label you terrorist.  The government takes small steps and eventually big gains.  But we are too disorganized as a group to really have any effect.  The big machinery called government moves on.

I should add that, it is not really the government in control.  There are a few very powerful rich men who are well organized and who is actually running most everything important: the government, politicians, the cia, nsa, the courts, the presidency, all the television channels, and schools.  There is actually an information war and the people, specially those that rely on television, have no clue.

Along with the NDAA another piece of work is HR347. which says we cannot protest around individuals with body guards.  This is in direct violation of the constitution.

I was duped by Obama disliking very strongly president Bush.  But I tell you now i see the light. We are being controlled by a media, the television and voting fraud.  Romney/Obama are no different. They both work for the bankers and corporatist and they are here for your money.  The 600 million dollar private jet is not good enough for them.

Read what Oscar Callaway said:

Congressman Oscar Callaway inserted the following into the Congressional Record:

"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interests, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world, and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press of the United States. These 12 men worked the problem out by selecting 179 newspapers, and then began, by an elimination process, to retain only those necessary for the purpose of controlling the general policy of the daily press throughout the country. They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. The 25 papers were agreed upon; emissaries were sent to purchase the policy, national and international, of these papers; an agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers... This policy also included the suppression of everything in opposition to the wishes of the interests served."

Thank you for speaking out about the NDAA.  I'm in complete agreement and support that the NDAA is one of the worst bills introduced into the U.S. I appreciate your work to inform and reform the direction of our government and society to cause it to begin to enter a pattern of creating something better for everyone, which means more of the people of the country need to be more informed and laboring to inform others.  I'm the Green Party candidate for U.S. House of Rep. -District 2 and have the NDAA issue at the top of the flyer I pass out.  Here is what I say, "My name is Susan Hall, and I'm running for the U.S. House of Rep. here in Dist. 2.  Hall for House. There were an equal number of Democrats and Republican senators, all but 13, who signed the National Defense Authorization Act, which gave the President the right to have anyone in the world arrested, if he calls them a terrorist, held indefinitely without a trial, which is against the constitution.  There were 3 House of Representatives in Colo. that voted for the NDAA and although Rep. Polis (the present incumbent for Dist 2) did not vote for the NDAA, at his recent town meeting in Westminster he welcomed & introduced Rep. Perlmutter to the meeting who DID vote for the NDAA.  He introduced him as his good friend.  In Nov. Westminster will become part of Perlmutter's district instead of Rep. Polis's, because of redistricting boundaries.  So Rep. Polis was supporting Rep. Perlmutter's position for the district and neither of them even mentioned this bill against our rights and constitution.  Not only did Mr. Polis support Rep. Perlmutter a supporter of the NDAA, but Rep. Polis also signed the HR 740 bill, which basically is a bill of sanctions or sable rattling toward war with Iran.  

Certainly the U.S. does not need to be at war with another country.  Instead of expending resources on more destruction in other countries, it is time for the U.S. to spend more of it's resources on healing the economy, gov., and communities in our own country of the United States.    

I am grateful for the Green Party candidate, Misha Luzov, for U.S. Congress who is running against the Republican incumbent  in District 5 who voted for the NDAA.  Mr. Luzov, Gary Swing, myself and other Green Party candidates are making huge sacrifices by running as candidates that are informing the public with very little monitory compensation since the Green Party does NOT TAKE CORPORATE DONATIONS (we do welcome individual contributions).  It is quite unfortunate that there are no Green Party or independents (like Bernie Sanders) candidates to run against the U.S. House of Rep. Perlmutter or Gardner in Colo.  Certainly politicians that try to do away with citizens rights, should be put out of office.  Everyone deserves a fair trial and this has been a foundation to the United States citizens freedom for over a century with our Constitution and it was established in the 1500 in England as habeas corpus.     

In some areas or cities I go to there are no individuals who are aware of the following information: the NDAA or HR 1540, HR 740, they can find all the bills on thomas.gov, the torturing of Bradley Manning for releasing documents, including information Pres. Bush authorized the execution of Iraqi prisoners and Pres. Obama authorized the bombing of innocent Yemenis and blamed it on al Qaeda, Journalist Shaye's imprisonment, the plan to frack a huge amount of wells & it takes 2 Million gls of water that can never reenter the water cycle for every fracked well, Drones are killing 100's of Pakistanis, General Dostum supported by the U.S. is known to have had 1,000's of unarmed people shot & suffocated in the back of semi-truck trailers, Solmalia has a U.S. supported torturous camp, Canadian vacationer, MR. Arar, was kidnapped under Bush's authority taken to SYRIA FOR TORTURE & the Canadian gov. awarded him $100 Million, while Pres. Obama protected Bush and would not allow his case to be heard in the U.S., there are over 100 people in Guantanamo who have been cleared to leave since 2007 & still not allowed to go, many of the families of 9-11 & 1700 Engineers & Architects are calling for a real impartial investigation of 9-11,  many military personnel involved in the wars believe it is about oil-including Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, shown in the documentary Hijacking Catastrophe.  For people not to know about these elements says those of us who are concerned about the condition of our country and gov. really need to become as involved as possible and I think in ways that are out of the box.  We need to get out of the box of a 2 party monopolized gov. system.  We need to stop thinking we can go to the polls and get in a few debates and that will suffice for our labor for freedom.  Certainly we should be telling people every day about some of the following things: websites like this one that explains important bills and gives people a chance to discuss them, more reliable media references, such as the following list: linktv (on Direct tv-channel 375 & I think comcast) good news & documentaries,

Prism, Democracy Now, Truthout, Op Ed, Alternet, Mother Jones, RSN-Reader Supported News, ,
Radio: Forward Blitz, KGU with Democracy Now (on Public stations, Cable & Radio)
Linktv: With Democracy Now, Al Jazeera, a myrid of news from around the world & documentaries like Wikileaks Files, War Promises, The World of Monsanto, Betsy's Farm, The Starving Times, Nora's Restraunt, Counterpunch.org

  

I do want to add another issue that I think is important too.  I have a lot of patience with people listening to less than reliable sources because they are at least being stirred to care.  These people need to have some of us who have other resources share probably more than once.  Most of us need to hear names and dates more than once in order for us to retain them in a means that it can be used often in conversations. 

     

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